Bruce Caroll Pierce Interview

Towards a Better UnderstandingImprisoned Odinist Scott Tolley interviews BruderSchweigen POW Bruce C. Pierce regarding religious divergence within the "movement".

For some time now, I have been meaning to write an article that might help our folk, who may have disagreeing spiritual beliefs, to better understand one another. It's my opinion that the concept of "perfect unity" between the different secular "factions" of our Folk may indeed be unrealistic. However, I feel that if we simply have a better understanding of each other's spirituality we will in fact take take a tremendous step in the right direction. Time and time again I've read articles in which the authors use the term "Heathen" or "Pagan" in a slighting or insultive context. As an Odinist, it bothers me to see those terms used with a negative connotation (it would be like me using the term "Christian" to denounce or describe jewdeo-christianity; and by doing so I may unknowingly be disrespecting an Identity Christian).What we have is a lack of understanding - and how can we ever expect to form any semblance of unamimity between the differing secular "factions" within the "movement" if we lack understanding of one another? I feel we can't; it's that simple! I suspect there are none among us who possess all the answers, although if we work together we may discover the key that will open the door to an improved accord. Then perhaps those that need to can move forward instead of "butting-heads".Recently, I had the opportunity and privilege to spend some time with a very knowledgeable and esteemed hero within our "movement". This man is a devout Identity Christian, and also very open-minded - placing the best interests of our Folk first and foremost.

That man is BruderSchweigen POW Bruce C. Pierce, a warrior who has made great sacrifices for the Fourteen Words. I felt that perhaps an interview between a devout Identity Christian, Bruce, and a dedicated Odinist, myself, might be beneficial in the desire for and interest of understanding.

SCOTT: Bruce, as an Odinist I worship the old Norse Gods and Goddesses and all they stand for. I believe in the laws of nature and strive to live my life based on virtue, not vice. Heritage and my people's traditions are very important to me, as my religion is very "folkish" - that is to say it is based on ancestry. Can you briefly tell me of your religious beliefs?

BRUCE: Identity is a theory that holds that some of our entire race are the biological descendants of the ancient Israelites - IF they are racially pure. Now don't be confused, jews are not the biological descendants of the ancient Israelites, in fact they admit as much in their own literature. They are in fact mongrels that have appropriated this term to mislead and manipulate the world. Think on it a moment - would the Creator of ALL use a mongrel people to represent Him?Furthermore, the Bible is almost exclusively devoted to the issue of law, and Identity believes that it is necessary that one strive to obey they laws/commands of Yahweh. These laws/commands are not burdensome. Quite the opposite, they offer us freedom and liberty that we have never before experienced. Rather than having any strong central or territorial government, the laws/commands are based in the community.

SCOTT: In the last few years a recent revival of Odinism has grown by leaps and bounds; both in the prison system and in the "real world". Would you care to share you views on such?BRUCE: Learning about heritage and the plight that threatens our race is definitely a step in the right direction. But, if the growth of the Odinist movement is as you say, then I am disappointed that the truth(s) of Identity have not been better disseminated. Identity should not be confused with jewdeo-christianity or jews. I feel that too many authors within today's "movement" have commented on Identity who seem to know very little about it. They rip verses out of context here and there to fir their needs.

SCOTT: Obviously I can't speak for all my Odinist Kinsmen, but I do know that quite a few Odinists harbor a deep resentment towards Christianity in any form. This may be due in part to the way the conversion to Christianity was carried out in Middle Europe & Scandinavia in the late 900's.

BRUCE: Actually, Scott, I agree with the Odinists who feel disgust at the way Christianity was forced upon Europe. There are no legitimate converts when coercion is employed. But, evil men have always used religion to server their selfish ends and Odinism is likely no different. Evil men have most likely used it as other evil men have used Christianity to accomplish their dark political objectives. On the other hand, Identity is not religion, it is LAW!

SCOTT: Sometimes I get the impression that many Identity folk view Odinism as being barbaric and outdated, not suitable for our modern times. Do you feel that way?

BRUCE: Odinism, as I understand it, as it has come down frm our ancestors, seems to lack a definite Law Code. It seems to have no laws other than a vague Natural Law that can have a different interpretation from person to person. Yet, and again, I say that it's a step in the right direction in that it teaches race and heritage.

SCOTT: Tell me Bruce, What do the terms "Heathen" and "Pagan" mean to you?

BRUCE: Basically they represent someone who is not Christian. They are not adjectives to describe backwardness or lack of culture, etc.

SCOTT: Odinism - to me personally - is much more than just a religion, it's a way of life for those who are serious about it. We base our laws on kindred, tribe and clan, and the unity found within the three. Do you feel that unity is an important issue that needs addressed by the different secular "factions" within the movement?

BRUCE: I've said before that I don't think that unity is all that good of an idea, for security reasons, and I also feel that it is unreasonable to expect. But, we can have understanding; an understanding that hopefully puts an end to attacking on another's beliefs. Haven't we enough enemies already? Is not the BEAST large enough to satisfy our martial spirit? I also believe that we should choose enemies carefully. Most non-whites hate the beast-system as much as we do. We should not needlessly make them hate us; rather we should direct their attention to our common foe.

SCOTT: I agree with you completely Bruce. Let's talk for a moment about the shape of our youth (non-movement youth) these days. It would seem that many of our youth are being successfully brain-washed by the media/government and it's scheming masters. How do you recommend combating this blatant brain-washing?

BRUCE: The Internet and White power music are ways, however limited, to reach our youth. What I feel that our folk in the movement need to do is focus far less on distributing it's newsletter within the movement to those who have already been awakened, but rather concentrate outward in an outreach program to the ignorant of our race. How many times have I said this, but it seems like nothing has changed. Lemming-like, we continue to persue failed policies. Madness is doing the same thing over and over but expecting different results.

SCOTT: What are your views concerning revolution in the United States? Do you feel that "White Revolution is the only solution", or do you feel that it's possible for this country's people to "awaken" herself to matters of race in a different fashion?

BRUCE: I believe that history will reveal that no nation, once it has begun its decline, has reversed itself and recovered. So don't even consider it a possibility. Furthermore, no government will concede power unless forced to do so. Make your own conclusions.

SCOTT: I see that you are in extremely good health, Bruce, both physically and mentally. Obviously your stay in Marion (10 years) id not hamper you much. Any comment on how you stay so fit?

BRUCE: "What doesn't kill me only makes me stronger". One either possesses the strength to endure and grow or one doesn't.

SCOTT: Well said. Briefly, what are your feelings towards today's movement?

BRUCE: Two words - Sadness and Disappointment. I can't believe that there is not better guidance and leadership in the movement, and that the same failed methods are being used over and over again.

SCOTT: Well Bruce, do you have any final words for the readers as we close this up?

BRUCE: We must put aside what in the past represented commitment to a cause. It didn't work then, and it's not working now. Mouthing rhetoric and cliches, attending meetings and reading material is what one does in their free time while not occupied with the more important duties to the cause. If you're not an ACTIVE participating member of the outreach program to get the message to the ignorant of our race (distributing fliers and newsletters at malls, parking lots, etc., setting up a page on the internet and responding to queries or using the medium of radio, TV, newspaper, etc.), or an active member of the underground or a financial supporter of either or both, we don't need you! We don't want you!! SPIN!!!

With acknowledgement to our comrades at White Revolution http://www.whiterevolution.com/